Mushkin PC4000 Memory Review

piotke · 15th November 2003, 10:00

I'l waiting for the cheaper twinmoss pc4xxx

The Senile Doctor · 15th November 2003, 11:14

I need ram that can do 240 at cas 2 2-5-2
now I have ram that does 240 cas 3 (!) 3-6-3

piotke · 15th November 2003, 11:22

vddr + 0.2

The Senile Doctor · 15th November 2003, 11:24

it's at 2.85 now...
I've put it at 3.0 and ran into severe stability problems...

RichBa5tard · 15th November 2003, 11:29

Remind me, wich settings did I have to try out for you doc? Raw membandwith or real time performance?

250 4/5 5-2-2 CL2 DC
vs
250 1/1 5-2-2 CL2 SC
vs
240 1/1 5-2-2 CL2 DC
vs
240 1/1 6-3-3 CL3 DC

?

The Senile Doctor · 15th November 2003, 11:36

no raw bandwith. 3dmark or quake or what is easiest for you

250 (pc4000) 1:1 @ cas 3 4-8-4
versus
250 1:1 @ cas2 2-5-2 (if possible, or highest possible)
versus
250 5:4 @ cas 2 2-5-2

and

233 (pc3700) 1:1 @ cas 3 4-8-4
versus
233 1:1@ cas 2 2-5-2
vs
233 5:4 @ cas 2 2-5-2

that would be ultimately interesting to see how these compare at default ram speeds (pc3700 and pc4000)

that'd be 6 runs or sth, if you could do that, it'd be great!

it would give lots of answers as to the bandwith hungriness the p4 dual channel has lost or still retains...

1. the advantage at equal speed of fast timings... is it still there?
2. the difference between fast timings @ default pc3700/pc4000
or divided at 5:4, coz if there ain't much difference between 1:1 at slow timings and 5:4 at fast timings as we have seen, then it's of no use buying hi-speed ram... then pc 3200 that runs 200 2 2-5-2 would be just as good as pc4000 3 4-7-4 or even 3-6-3... however if the difference between 1:1 fast timings and 1:1 slow timings is high, then we need uberfast timings pc4200, however if the difference wouldn't be that big between 1:1 fast timings and 1:1 slow timings and 5:4 fast timings, we can all buy hiquality pc3200 and get the same results...

@ piotke : even at vddr 3.3 in windows, I still can't run cas 2.5 at 233 (default speed)

RichBa5tard · 15th November 2003, 11:42

ok, i'm going to run those benches after i did my shopping.

250fsb test will be done single channel (only got one stick twinmoss), the others with 2*256mb mushkin level2.

The Senile Doctor · 15th November 2003, 11:43

thanx!
I'm back 2morrow, i look forward to that, if you have the time, stick in one run of 250/233 cas 2.5 1:1 3-6-3 too, as intermediate

Just to see how that stacks up

thanx richyB!

We need Information

Gamer · 15th November 2003, 19:23

Quote:

Originally posted by calantak
it's at 2.85 now...
I've put it at 3.0 and ran into severe stability problems...

did you do a vmod on the P4C800 ?

The Senile Doctor · 16th November 2003, 14:31

Quote:

Originally posted by Gamer

did you do a vmod on the P4C800 ?

it's an abit ic7max 3
i can go all the way to 3.2

15th November 2003, 10:00	#1
piotke [M] Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5,003	Mushkin PC4000 Memory Review I'l waiting for the cheaper twinmoss pc4xxx

15th November 2003, 11:14	#2
The Senile Doctor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: wherever the doom is Posts: 3,171	I need ram that can do 240 at cas 2 2-5-2 now I have ram that does 240 cas 3 (!) 3-6-3 __________________ OC-2-the-death Where the Reverend is doing his Magick, all mortals be silent Doom over the world

15th November 2003, 11:22	#3
piotke [M] Reviewer Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5,003	vddr + 0.2 __________________ .

15th November 2003, 11:24	#4
The Senile Doctor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: wherever the doom is Posts: 3,171	it's at 2.85 now... I've put it at 3.0 and ran into severe stability problems... __________________ OC-2-the-death Where the Reverend is doing his Magick, all mortals be silent Doom over the world

15th November 2003, 11:29	#5
RichBa5tard [M] Reviewer/HWBot ***** Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,344	Remind me, wich settings did I have to try out for you doc? Raw membandwith or real time performance? 250 4/5 5-2-2 CL2 DC vs 250 1/1 5-2-2 CL2 SC vs 240 1/1 5-2-2 CL2 DC vs 240 1/1 6-3-3 CL3 DC ? __________________ HTPC (mac osx): Mac Mini \| Core Duo 1.6Ghz \| 2GB DDR2 \| 26\" TFT Development (mac osx): Macbook \| Core 2 2.0Ghz \| 4GB DDR2 \| 250GB HD Games (win xp): E2160 @ 2.4Ghz \| HD3850 OC \| Asrock 4coredual-vsta \| 2GB DDR2

15th November 2003, 11:36	#6
The Senile Doctor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: wherever the doom is Posts: 3,171	no raw bandwith. 3dmark or quake or what is easiest for you 250 (pc4000) 1:1 @ cas 3 4-8-4 versus 250 1:1 @ cas2 2-5-2 (if possible, or highest possible) versus 250 5:4 @ cas 2 2-5-2 and 233 (pc3700) 1:1 @ cas 3 4-8-4 versus 233 1:1@ cas 2 2-5-2 vs 233 5:4 @ cas 2 2-5-2 that would be ultimately interesting to see how these compare at default ram speeds (pc3700 and pc4000) that'd be 6 runs or sth, if you could do that, it'd be great! it would give lots of answers as to the bandwith hungriness the p4 dual channel has lost or still retains... 1. the advantage at equal speed of fast timings... is it still there? 2. the difference between fast timings @ default pc3700/pc4000 or divided at 5:4, coz if there ain't much difference between 1:1 at slow timings and 5:4 at fast timings as we have seen, then it's of no use buying hi-speed ram... then pc 3200 that runs 200 2 2-5-2 would be just as good as pc4000 3 4-7-4 or even 3-6-3... however if the difference between 1:1 fast timings and 1:1 slow timings is high, then we need uberfast timings pc4200, however if the difference wouldn't be that big between 1:1 fast timings and 1:1 slow timings and 5:4 fast timings, we can all buy hiquality pc3200 and get the same results... @ piotke : even at vddr 3.3 in windows, I still can't run cas 2.5 at 233 (default speed) __________________ OC-2-the-death Where the Reverend is doing his Magick, all mortals be silent Doom over the world

15th November 2003, 11:42	#7
RichBa5tard [M] Reviewer/HWBot ***** Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,344	ok, i'm going to run those benches after i did my shopping. 250fsb test will be done single channel (only got one stick twinmoss), the others with 2256mb mushkin level2. __________________ HTPC (mac osx): Mac Mini \| Core Duo 1.6Ghz \| 2GB DDR2 \| 26\" TFT Development (mac osx): Macbook \| Core 2 2.0Ghz \| 4GB DDR2 \| 250GB HD Games (win xp)*: E2160 @ 2.4Ghz \| HD3850 OC \| Asrock 4coredual-vsta \| 2GB DDR2

15th November 2003, 11:43	#8
The Senile Doctor Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: wherever the doom is Posts: 3,171	thanx! I'm back 2morrow, i look forward to that, if you have the time, stick in one run of 250/233 cas 2.5 1:1 3-6-3 too, as intermediate Just to see how that stacks up thanx richyB! We need Information __________________ OC-2-the-death Where the Reverend is doing his Magick, all mortals be silent Doom over the world

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